From: Stefano Sabatini <stefasab@gmail.com>
To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org>
Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:13:44 +0200
Message-ID: <ZiPpuI1Zw1i4vPF6@mariano> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c349687-9bba-41f6-afdb-2835ef29f34d@pileofstuff.org>
On date Saturday 2024-04-20 13:18:29 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> On 20/04/2024 08:25, Stefano Sabatini wrote:
> > On date Thursday 2024-04-18 16:06:12 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> > > Based largely on the explanation by Stefano Sabatini:
> > > https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2024-April/325854.html
> > > ---
> > > doc/jargon.md | 96 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > 1 file changed, 96 insertions(+)
> > > create mode 100644 doc/jargon.md
> > >
> > > diff --git a/doc/jargon.md b/doc/jargon.md
> > > new file mode 100644
> > > index 0000000000..3b78ffb61f
> > > --- /dev/null
> > > +++ b/doc/jargon.md
> > We currently have a single .md file in doc (for historical reason we
> > still stick to texinfo). Also how is this integrated into doxygen?
>
> Doxygen automatically renders all /*.md and /doc/*.md files to pages at [1]
> which is the only place I'd know to look for this sort of thing. it seems
> like texinfo is more for man pages etc., which would be hard to link from
> doxygen? By the way, a file called "jargon" seemed like a better idea than
> e.g. a "design_patterns" file or a section in AVClass. I've rewritten the
> document completely based on your feedback - same markdown file for now,
> but happy to move/reformat.
If this is the case, probably we should move the files to a dedicated
directory (doxygen?) to avoid to mix too many things in the same
bundle (can be done as a separated patch though since we might think
about what we really want to include in the doxygen docs).
> The points below should be addressed by the new patch, so I'll let that
> speak for itself. But there's a general issue that's worth mentioning...
>
> Technically, it sounds like a more accurate description would be "Context
> is an FFmpeg convention that has become fairly rigorous over the years".
> But IMHO readers would uncharitably read that as "Context is some weird
> FFmpeg thing they're stuck with because they picked a pre-OOP language".
> Arguing "Context is a design pattern that groups objects by lifespan"
> emphasises the lessons a newbie can take from FFmpeg and use elsewhere,
> so they get more value from the time they spent reading the document.
> I've tried to write the document to start with the more useful argument,
> then gradually ease in to the more accurate one.
But, I don't think this is really something very rigourous, because it
is used in different "contexts" with sligthly different features
(e.g. you can have a structure named "context" but without an AVClass
or options).
And it's not really about lifespan, and not really specific for
FFmpeg, in C programming this is used to provide a "context" for
several "methods" operating on a given struct - so basically a light
implementation of an object-oriented-based API.
[...]
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2024-04-18 15:06 Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-18 15:06 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 7:25 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 12:18 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 16:13 ` Stefano Sabatini [this message]
2024-04-20 12:19 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 12:19 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 12:19 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-20 16:48 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v2 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-20 22:17 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 8:02 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 0/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 1/3] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 17:05 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-29 9:10 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 10:03 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-05 7:29 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-05 21:04 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:37 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 12:47 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25 9:00 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 11:01 ` Lynne
2024-05-02 11:14 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:00 ` Zhao Zhili
2024-05-02 13:27 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-02 13:39 ` Zhao Zhili
2024-04-29 9:24 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers
2024-05-05 8:31 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-05 10:34 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 2/3] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-04-22 15:56 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v3 3/3] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 0/4] Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 9:31 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 16:07 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25 9:49 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-26 12:06 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-28 17:24 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-29 10:10 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 10:50 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 11:06 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-05-29 14:18 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-29 16:06 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 1/4] doc: " Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25 11:00 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-05-25 9:57 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-23 20:00 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers
2024-05-24 1:50 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v5 0/4] Explain what "context" means Michael Niedermayer
2024-05-24 9:43 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:04 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 16:46 ` Lynne via ffmpeg-devel
2024-05-16 11:25 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-15 15:54 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v4 4/4] lavf: Add documentation for private "Context" classes Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 10:08 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-05-22 14:47 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-05-22 15:24 ` Andreas Rheinhardt
2024-05-22 16:54 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 0/4] doc: Explain what "context" means Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 1/4] " Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 8:15 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-06-12 20:52 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-13 14:20 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-15 9:17 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-16 18:02 ` [FFmpeg-devel] Development process for explaining contexts (was Re: [PATCH v6 1/4] doc: Explain what "context" means) Andrew Sayers
2024-06-16 21:20 ` Paul B Mahol
2024-07-01 22:16 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-07-02 9:56 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-07-06 11:33 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 2/4] lavu: Clarify relationship between AVClass, AVOption and context Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 10:34 ` Stefano Sabatini
2024-06-05 12:46 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 3/4] all: Link to "context" from all public contexts with documentation Andrew Sayers
2024-06-05 8:12 ` Anton Khirnov
2024-06-05 12:51 ` Andrew Sayers
2024-06-04 14:47 ` [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH v6 4/4] all: Rewrite documentation for contexts Andrew Sayers
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