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no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-0; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-1; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-2; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-3; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Sponsors & Funding List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Archived-At: Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel Cc: Michael Niedermayer Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0805533562756690837==" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============0805533562756690837== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tJi7PmnQgZXxW+HH" Content-Disposition: inline --tJi7PmnQgZXxW+HH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ronald On Sat, Oct 11, 2025 at 05:05:44PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje via ffmpeg-devel= wrote: > Hi Michael, >=20 > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-de= vel < > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote: >=20 > > The number of people voting was a bit disappointing but >=20 >=20 > I can't speak for others, but I saw the vote request and didn't find it > very serious. >=20 > What I mean with that is: in a regular vote, there's typically two (or > sometimes more) opposing sides (e.g. parties, people, opinions) that both > believe they are the best option in the set of available options. Each si= de > can argue for its own case and voters can make an informed choice after a > fruitful and informative debate. (I know this is somewhat idealized.) >=20 > You covered the "yes" side (something about collecting sponsorship money > into SPI), but nobody made any counter-argument against "yes", e.g. for t= he > "no" side. Does this mean nobody supported "no" to begin with and it was a > strawman in a vote? Whose "side" was the "no" supposed to cover? Who was > the proponent of the "no", or more generally: who was not on the "yes" si= de > and was the reason for the need-to-vote? i asked 3 weeks before the vote for comments 0909 10:19 Michael Niederm (2.6K) [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Sponsors & Funding and certainly people did take it serious. The alternative to my proposal was to leave things as they are, thats the "default". Noone proposed another option, and that should not be an iss= ue because people could have voted "no" and presented an alternative later. I would have preferred alot, if there where more votes But worse is, if we forever have everything stuck. (and i think you actually agree on that) and if you read your mail. You seem not concerned about Funding You seem not concerned about FFmpegs future You seem not concerned about teh Team You seem not concerned about competitors You seem not concerned about FFmpeg developers we are loosing (because we h= ave no way to pay them and they dont want or cant be volunteers forever) It seems you are concerned, that a decission was made, and not even one you= seem to strongly disagree with, so I dont know. Iam a bit confused. Iam concerned about FFmpegs future if we cannot overcome these internal iss= ues. I think we should try to regularly chat with each other to better understand each other. I dont know exactly but what you say sounds like there are some misunderstandings here. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Whats the most studid thing your enemy could do ? Blow himself up Whats the most studid thing you could do ? 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