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no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-0; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-1; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-2; header-match-ffmpeg-devel.ffmpeg.org-3; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] Re: [POLL][VOTE] Sponsors & Funding List-Id: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Archived-At: Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel Cc: Michael Niedermayer Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8083164580829833264==" Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: --===============8083164580829833264== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OWZ7dAHYVhQyPMeE" Content-Disposition: inline --OWZ7dAHYVhQyPMeE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Remi On Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 07:28:48PM +0300, R=E9mi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-= devel wrote: > Le torstaina 2. lokakuuta 2025, 15.55.16 It=E4-Euroopan kes=E4aika Michae= l=20 > Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a =E9crit : > > "Yes" > > - The FFmpeg project should actively seek sponsors and funding. >=20 > Repeating myself but that sentence does not mean anything. How are we sup= posed=20 > to vote on something so vague? >=20 > If FFmpeg is/becomes a legal entity of its, that sort of mission statemen= t=20 > could be included in the statutes. That could justify an FFmpeg foundatio= n=20 > funding trusted community members to attend tradeshows to look for sponso= rs=20 > and funding, for example. But that sentence cannot be thrown like this on= its=20 > lonesome. Otherwise, FFmpeg is just a collection of assets such as tradem= arks,=20 > domain names and hardware held by SPI or Fabrice. Assets can't "actively = seek=20 > sponsors". >=20 > I suppose that you mean the FFmpeg community. yes > But as Gyan already pointed out > in previous threads, even that's poorly defined. And in any case, One Doe= s Not=20 > Simply compel the community to "actively seek sponsors". People can activ= ely=20 > seek sponsors already, and they can also choose not to. Voting one way or= the=20 > other will make no differences. The intend here is more, to decide on the direction. Do we, as a team, want to actively look for sponsors or not ? Without this direction, its very hard for one person to talk to sponsors, w= hile another publically maybe says, "FFmpeg does not look for sponsors". Its to establish a common direction. >=20 > > - The money will be used for FFmpeg and the FFmpeg community. (Mainten= ance, > > Development, Infra, Testing, Travel, Research, ...) [...] >=20 > As for research, bluntly, this is too vague and open-ended. Normally rese= arch=20 > has deliverables such as peer-reviewed papers or working code or whatever= =2E=20 > Also this is probably better handled via academia or via NLnet-type=20 > foundations. Each individual use of money, would be agreed by consensus or 2/3 majority. But we need a list, that we can show to sponsors, so they understand what t= hey are paying for. >=20 > > Employing people is complex as it requires compliance to local > > regulations. Thus it should be expected that for employing developers, = we > > will likely need to work together with local companies. That is if we w= ant > > to employ someone in Country X we could partner with a company in Count= ry X > > which then employs the developer and SPI would pay that company. >=20 > True. But with that in mind, what's the difference between the "yes" and = "no"=20 > options? Developers can already be hired by local companies or run their = own=20 > consultancies. I believe some people here are already doing just that. I think, i have failed to explain this clearly. One can go to bigcorp and ask them to donate 100k per year to FFmpeg/SPI, but with: "Yes" We can say, that this extra money will be used to hire people, and for maintaince and development. A Company that depends on FFmpeg has a reason to spend 100k/y here, its t= iny for many companies, and they make MUCH larger sums with their buisness depend= ing on FFmpeg. "No" Here we can just say, that we have used SPI money for travel and infra. And that SPI has been the intermediary of STF and GSoC for us. But we do not yet know what the additional money will be used for. I dont think many companies will agree to give us 100k/ year with such st= atement. This vote would give a clear direction, which we can present to potential sponsors. So maybe the vote could be summarized in Do we want to * hire people * pay for increased maintaince and development beyond the current capac= ity If yes, we need to look for sponsors, if no, we cannot really look for spon= sors. thx [...] --=20 Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Homeopathy is like voting while filling the ballot out with transparent ink. Sometimes the outcome one wanted occurs. 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