[FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Everyone

The FFmpeg community decided, that we should actively look for sponsors.
And to do that, i will use my influence as shareholder of FFlabs to:

Authorize the use of excess funds (that is funds FFlabs does not need for
its own needs, obligations, benefit, growth, strategy, treasury), to be given to FFmpeg.

Of course FFlabs needs to keep enough funds to ensure, it at no time, runs out of funds.

Of course for this to be effective a single shareholders authorization is not enough.

But if it becomes effective, then the FFmpeg community can choose to use
these funds as it sees best fit for FFmpegs growth.
I believe this is also closer to the vision, several shareholders had,
of what FFlabs should be.

Comments and Suggestion are welcome

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-- Abba Eban

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:58 PM Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> The FFmpeg community decided, that we should actively look for sponsors.
> And to do that, i will use my influence as shareholder of FFlabs to:
>
> Authorize the use of excess funds (that is funds FFlabs does not need for
> its own needs, obligations, benefit, growth, strategy, treasury), to be given to FFmpeg.
>
> Of course FFlabs needs to keep enough funds to ensure, it at no time, runs out of funds.
>
> Of course for this to be effective a single shareholders authorization is not enough.
>
> But if it becomes effective, then the FFmpeg community can choose to use
> these funds as it sees best fit for FFmpegs growth.
> I believe this is also closer to the vision, several shareholders had,
> of what FFlabs should be.
>
> Comments and Suggestion are welcome

Posts about the business operations of FFlabs, a private company, are
off-topic on this mailing list.

Kieran
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Devin Heitmueller via ffmpeg-devel]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:03 AM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> Posts about the business operations of FFlabs, a private company, are
> off-topic on this mailing list.
>
> Kieran

Yeah, this seems like a really weird thing to declare in this forum.
If the question is whether the ffmpeg community would accept money
donated by fflabs?  Of course.  But whether FFLabs decides to
contribute money to the community is really a discussion to be had
with your other shareholders.

Devin

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel]

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Hi Devin

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:07:16AM -0400, Devin Heitmueller via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:03 AM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> > Posts about the business operations of FFlabs, a private company, are
> > off-topic on this mailing list.
> >
> > Kieran
> 
> Yeah, this seems like a really weird thing to declare in this forum.


> If the question is whether the ffmpeg community would accept money
> donated by fflabs?  Of course.

ok


>  But whether FFLabs decides to
> contribute money to the community is really a discussion to be had
> with your other shareholders.

yes

I think you misunderstand slightly.

First, if i propose as a shareholder of FFlabs, to have some funds
moved from FFlabs to FFmpeg.
It makes sense to me, to ask the FFmpeg community first. Because iam not
that smart. Someone might have a good suggestion which i can include
in what i intend to propose to the other shareholders.

thx

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 11:24 PM Michael Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Devin
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:07:16AM -0400, Devin Heitmueller via ffmpeg-devel wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:03 AM Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
> > <ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
> > > Posts about the business operations of FFlabs, a private company, are
> > > off-topic on this mailing list.
> > >
> > > Kieran
> >
> > Yeah, this seems like a really weird thing to declare in this forum.
>
>
> > If the question is whether the ffmpeg community would accept money
> > donated by fflabs?  Of course.
>
> ok
>
>
> >  But whether FFLabs decides to
> > contribute money to the community is really a discussion to be had
> > with your other shareholders.
>
> yes
>
> I think you misunderstand slightly.
>
> First, if i propose as a shareholder of FFlabs, to have some funds
> moved from FFlabs to FFmpeg.
> It makes sense to me, to ask the FFmpeg community first. Because iam not
> that smart. Someone might have a good suggestion which i can include
> in what i intend to propose to the other shareholders.

The only reasonable suggestion is get agreement from your shareholders
before raising this topic in public.

Kieran
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel]

Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel (HE12025-10-10):
> The only reasonable suggestion is get agreement from your shareholders
> before raising this topic in public.

Are you their lawyer? Because as far as I can see, this issue is none of
your concern and this is just more of you bullying Michael.

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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 11:36 PM Nicolas George via ffmpeg-devel
<ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org> wrote:
>
> Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel (HE12025-10-10):
> > The only reasonable suggestion is get agreement from your shareholders
> > before raising this topic in public.
>
> Are you their lawyer? Because as far as I can see, this issue is none of
> your concern and this is just more of you bullying Michael.

I agree it's not my concern. It's nobody's concern apart from FFlabs
shareholders and therefore should not be on this mailing list.

Kieran
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[FFmpeg-devel] Re: [RFC] FFlabs Sponsor

[Rémi Denis-Courmont via ffmpeg-devel]

Le perjantaina 10. lokakuuta 2025, 15.28.58 Itä-Euroopan kesäaika Michael 
Niedermayer via ffmpeg-devel a écrit :
> The FFmpeg community decided, that we should actively look for sponsors.

Insofar as "absentees are always wrong" (French proverb), yes, but it should 
be noted that almost no one participated in that "decision".

> And to do that, i will use my influence as shareholder of FFlabs to (...)
> [donate] excess funds (...) to FFmpeg.

That statement gives the impression that you and/or the community expect that 
sort of behaviour out of sponsors. This seems more likely to put off 
prospective sponsors than motivate them, to be honest. You wouldn't typically 
announce sponsorships until after they are somewhat or fully committed.

It also looks like a discussion point that belongs in your shareholder 
meetings rather than FFmpeg-devel as others already pointed out. 

> Comments and Suggestion are welcome

Yeah: Don't comment publicly about future or ongoing specific sponsorship 
negotiations. Or at least ask yourself what do you think is more important and 
should be prioritised over the other:
- Holdng public discussion about getting sponsorships.
- Actually getting sponsorships.

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